Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. Howell Conversions - GATED 1858 Remington Pietta .45 LC. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. And a .50 sabot over 100 grains of Pyrodex is a humane, instant-kill deer load out to 150 yards. BRASS TRIGGER GUARD / GRIP ASSEMBLY. Our governor says that they can melt when shot I have a few black powder guns I have hunted with them for years and have yet seen one melt down .But the Local store here wont order one for you. Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers.Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. 1885 High Wall Manual. As for the black powder, read the manual, page 10 in mine. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. Thatd be 24 shots of fairly rapid fire, not shabby even by todays standards. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52776. Brass front sight, notched hammer rear sight. To sum up, if you want a gun that you can use for Years, Pass it onto your Son, or maybe even your Grandson, buy a steel framed Remington Style Revolver from Either Pietta, or A.Uberti & Son, and with due care and respect, the gun will last several lifetimes! WebASM Hammer (1858) Check Stock Price US$38.50 Quantity Item 2 Code 111ASM002 Description Asm Hammer (1863 Pocket) Check Stock Price US$24.20 Quantity Item 3 Bought both of mine mail order from Cabelas. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. BLUED BARREL SHOWS SMALL AREA OF PATINA ON LEFT ADJACENT TO RECEIVER. I have heard it all about these weapons not having the power to stop anything bigger than a deer or coyotes. WebAN ARMI SAN MARCO pistol is currently worth an average price of $286.19 new and $274.52 used . It just looks cooler (IMO) than the navy, walker, or dragoon. Unbelievable what has happened to the price of Old Army since Ruger quit making them. Model: 1858. and they sent me a Pietta trigger which fit just fine. Type: Revolver. I have developed a way of cleaning and loading, that if followed EXACTLY, will give YOU the same degree of Reliability as I have! It definitely seems that the makers will do as much quality control as is expected by the importer. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. Wow, TTAG must be monitoring my TV; this review came on here while Im watching The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. (They are still remarkably cheap in both .25 and 32-20, but good luck if you lose the magazine.) I shot them for five years until I got my Colts and they worked fine. And they still shoot just as straight and true as the originals. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. Original blued finish and plain walnut grips. .44 Cal percussion. First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. Regular gun solvents cant remove the black powder salts. Thank God I had my Reminton. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. Barrel: 12 inch You know youve got a good, airtight seal in the chamber when the mouth of the cylinder shaves a small lead ring off the edge as you seat the ball. My advice is to buy the gun and cylinder, forget that the combination will cost about the same as a modern revolver and enjoy the heck out of it. Dont touch it unless the gun is pointing in a safe direction cause there is is no transfer bar. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard How about a five year old 1851 Navy, to a current 1861 Navy? I have an Italian-made 1858 replica with an R&D conversion cylinder. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. I have owned a dozen or more 1860 Army copies. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS MILD OXIDATION. I had the same problem. If a conversion cylinder (to shoot black powder cowboy loads) Their SAA's are a good example. Having said this, I did take a whitetail a couple years ago with my 1858 Remington (standard max load per the Pietta manual). This gun was thoroughly rebuilt by Oglesby & Oglesby and is a fine revolver having had the cylinder and hammer re-hardened, and wire springs installed, including the Ruger style coil handspring and plunger. Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. Ive been pretty satisfied with Clean Shot sub, and it smokes a lot less and produces significantly less fouling. Serves the same purpose as putting lube over the ball as described in the article, but with less mess, and assists in proper compression with lighter loads. Theres that great close up of Preachers hands as he swaps cylinders, preparing to deal final justice to Stockburn, the evil marshal whos been terrorizing the small-time miners and the townsfolk with his equally-evil posse of deputies. Not that theres anything wrong with that. One of the knocks against the 1858 Remington is that the cylinder tends to bind on the cylinder pin as the pistol gets fouled, and Bore Butter, or even some Crisco, helps keep that cylinder turning smoothly all day long. I can put up to 60 grains into each chamber, though I usually use 40. The strong top-strap design, the ease of swapping cylinders and the safety notches are all reasons why so many modern cap-and-ball shooters still turn to Fordyce Beals design. I wound up selling it shortly thereafter. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored On the other hand if you order over the Internet, there is a very high probability that at least one U.S. alphabet agency will have a record of your activity. They were based primarily on the early 1st. Type: Revolver. View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium I used to also have an 1858 Remington clone by ASM. The safety notch feature makes it easy to safely carry a fully-loaded 1858 Remington. It was just the size of a small outfit, like 4-5 people there and I saw mostly lever rifles parts (might be they got their pistol from other sources). I wasn't there. Cimarron Thunderer and swap out ok between the same model like the 1860 Army? -drop safety-Hammer - Z52778, A. Uberti & C. Cattleman 1873 .44 Cal percussion. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting The ASM firing pin holes in the recoil shields weren't hardened so they tend to develop a dimple that the primer flows in to binding the cylinder. He examined the gun and proclaimed it one of the good ones and made me a really good offer that I applied to a like new in box NMV. Ihave been thinking about getting one of these for a while, I have a question. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). 1866 Rifle Manual. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. Everything you ever wanted to know about the 1858 Remington (and some things you didnt!). You have entered an incorrect email address! The problem doing that is the bolt finger like the 1st gens was really sharp and the cams on the hammers were soft. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I HAVE A 1858 44CAL. One, an 1851 clone was built of the same parts produced by Uberti when they built the Colt "2nd Gen" percussion revolvers. The patent date is 1858. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. This page was last updated: 04-Mar 00:33. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. I think the ASMs from around that time were pretty good guns. THE FRAME AND HAMMER RETAINS APPROX 90% OF THEIR COLORS.. Not really outrage, but an eyeroll for sure. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. Black Powder Revolver Manual. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. BORE IS VERY GOOD WITH SHARP RIFLING. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. All you have to do is go inside of a gun made by them and you will see how bad it is. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL There is research indicating that chain fires are probably caused by sparks getting under loose-fitting percussion caps. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. Ive got an Uberti rep with the brass frame, so loading above 25g of triple eff aint recommended. Sounds like the name of a shady character lurking in the wisteria of some Flannery OConnor story, doesnt it? Eventually, the design inspired the 1875 Remington, a true metallic cartridge revolver, but one that clearly shows the influences from the 1858. And if you happen to have another pre-loaded cylinder with you, PRESTO! WOODEN GRIPS ARE 44 Caliber; 95% blue, near mint bore, near mint grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1858 NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN NEAR MINT CONDITION. One reason is I am new to bp and have no one to ask for help. Bluing on the barrel is in very 36 Caliber; 92% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Westerner's Arms 1851 Navy 6 shot revolver, .36 caliber black powder. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. CAS, SASS, Cat: Sharpshooter WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. BRASS RECEIVER AND TRIGGER GUARD / GRIP FRAME ASSEMBLY. Now, 155 years later, you can still buy brand new versions of Fordyces design, mostly made in Italy. .44 Cal percussion. LaHood was put down by the miner the Preacher had been helping using a buffalo gun at about 5 yards. Im 66 years old and I have been wanting to get a 1858black powder for a while now but because I live in Illinois I cant get no one to order me one . And be sure to get the correct version of conversion. I got to fire a few cap and ball revolvers when on holiday in Italy. Cleaned properly, and loaded properly, a Remington Style Percussion Revolver, can be as reliable as a modern Cartridge gun. The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 You could become the next Farinelliif youre lucky. DO use a stout load. I never did fault him for it even though he was 3000 miles out of his jurisdiction. ASM was so bad, even ASM parts seldom fit. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why They moved the factory from where all the other factories are to a more remote area and some of the workers didn't want to leave their home so they lost a lot of expertise. The bucks are off limits. Any rifle, pistol or shotgun made prior to that majic date is paper free. This was sold and moved to Marietta, OH., and then, in around 1973, was sold to Navy Arms. - 2) a few of the triggergaurd and backstrap screw heads have flaked a bitcosmetic only so far. Youre only hunting if you sharpen a stick and use it as a spear. Thank God I did not shoot my dog that had to have 62 stitches. Thanks in advance. The strong Remington frame made it fairly easy to convert the pistol over to metallic cartridge use, as firearms technology rapidly advanced after the Civil War. Exc condition, appears unfired. Used, bore is dirty, grips are worn. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. THE FRAME, HAMMER AND RAM ROD ASSEMBLY RETAIN 97% OF EUROARMS 1858 REMINGTON NEW ARMY - C56032, Westerners Arms Colt Percussion Revolver - C56011, Mendi Single Barrel Percussion Pistol - C55991, Italian Guild Remington Percussion - C55994, A. Uberti & C. Mod.1875 Army All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. My First Colt Style Gun, and my Last Colt style gun!